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[GSF]Tech_Paradox  248 posts
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Restricting Access? 2/23/05 6:18am
The idea of restricting access to the Clan Business section of the forum was brought up in one of the posts in the reformation threads. I forget who it was that brought it up, but the idea popped back into my head last night while I was working on the latest revision of the bylaws.

Given that all [GSF] members are granted VIP status on the clan forum, is it possible to block non-VIP members from accessing the Clan Business section of the forum? And do we want to do this? It would be nice to have a place where we can discuss clan-related stuff away from the bluehats and potential members - sort of a "back room" in the bar where we hold our meetings (and weekly poker night)...

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 6:30am
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The once-frequent histrionics associated with most leavetakings from the clan are one of the main reasons I haven't ever tried to join. Those primadonna acts belong in the clan business section, and I'm glad I was able to see them. What goings on really need to be secret, anyway?

If you're really concerned over blue hats spamming up the topics when they don't know enough about the subject, the clan culture, or whatever to properly contribute, then restrict posting rights... but I don't even see that as truly necessary.

There's moderators here, same as anywhere else. If someone posts something wildly inappropriate, get rid of it. I don't see a huge problem with this occurring now, which either means it's not happening, or the mods are adequately dealing with it. Either way, where's the problem?

 

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[GSF]Tech_Paradox  248 posts
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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 6:48am
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Well, in all actuality, no goings-on really need to be secret... I was just floating a test ballon to see if anyone was in favor of or against it. grin

I'm just trying to cover all bases for subjects that may crop up in the future after we've adopted bylaws and write them in ahead of time - better to get it out of the way now than have to amend things later, neh?

Since I'm somewhat on the subject, are there any other topics that haven't been broached in the stuff I've typed up so far?

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 7:13am
I think the only way to do this is to put the whole thing behind a password that gets handed out to all members. While not impossible or even particularly dificult I think it would be pointless since it would likely take about a minute and a half for the password to be handed out publicly.

 
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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 7:16am
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No sweat... didn't mean for it to sound directed at you, just giving my viewpoint. happy

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 8:14am
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No worries - I've got a thick skin wink

Like I said, this was just a test balloon... and Coyote brings up a good point about the password thing...

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 8:20am
Meh. I don't really think we have anything that really needs to be kept behind closed doors. Hell, the fact of the matter is it's hard enough to get members to visit this place, let alone bluehats and n00bs that could "spy" on our goings-on. The only possible reason I could see for some privacy would be instances of one member calling for a revote on another. I wouldn't like non-members to see internal strife in the clan. But the frequency of that happening is low enough that I don't think it warrants a closed member section.

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 8:53am
I had this huge thing typed out about what security's really for, and remembering just what you're securing... but after I typed it up, I realized that nobody but me gave a damn about it, so I deleted it happy

I disagree about hiding internal strife, because that's something I'd want to see as a prospective member. If the clan is constantly bickering, I may not want to join. Why make me go through the trouble of joining to find out that I'm going to be caught up in petty infighting, and quit?

I can see bickering being an embarassment, but hiding it behind closed doors isn't the answer. Any group of people is going to have a certain level of squabbling... hey, we're all at least mildly dysfunctional. If the amount of fighting is getting excessive, rather than hiding it from the public, figure out what the problem is and fix it.

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 9:41am
In Reply To #1:

I'm also against this... or rather, I don't see the point of it. The only real argument for doing so I can see is that it would provide a sort of incentive for non-[GSF] members to apply, as they could then discover what goes on in our private forum, but frankly they'd probably be disappointed... and do we really want people joining for that reason? The facts of the matter are that few non-[GSF] members post on these forums anyway, and as far as I'm concerned it seems better to leave them open to non-members to view and post, so they can see what the clan is like and how it works before they join.

Hey, I'd even be for opening up the Moderator Discussion forum on /gamespy for the same purpose... I know it's not going to happen, I'm just bringing it up as an example. It would just seem better to me for people to be able to see how the moderators work and what sort of things are discussed between them, and the same arguments apply to this clan forum, only even more so. After all, we're not moderators, just a clan, and so any reasons for privacy (and I'll admit there are some in the case of moderators) seem pretty spurious in the case of our forums.

On an unrelated note - I haven't read Tech_Paradox's new version of the clan rules, or constitution, or whatever it is yet, but I plan to do so later today, and I'll post my comments in the appropriate topic. I'm just thankful to him for putting so much work in to all this stuff on behalf of the clan; it's always easier to be lazy and talk about stuff than actually do stuff, so it's nice to see someone trying to do something useful to bring about some genuine changes for the better, for a change. (Note hypocrisy...)

 
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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 10:08am
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You may want to hold off on reading through it if you're looking at version 0.3 or lower. I'm going to post the latest revision shortly (before 10:30 AM forum time).

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 10:37am
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The Taco Prophet posted:

I can see bickering being an embarassment, but hiding it behind closed doors isn't the answer. Any group of people is going to have a certain level of squabbling... hey, we're all at least mildly dysfunctional. If the amount of fighting is getting excessive, rather than hiding it from the public, figure out what the problem is and fix it.



Oh sure, that would be the adult thing to do. But when have we ever done that....

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 11:03am
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You've got me there happy

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 1:48pm
<orange>Well, the balloon already popped, I guess. But FYI: I don't feel it's necessary either. wink </orange>

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 4:30pm
Restricting Access to [GSF] Clan Business sounds like a bad idea, newbies will have little idea of what this clan is and does even without seeing the actual disscusion on how the clan ticks.

Besides we're never had any real problems blue hats running in drooling with stupdity everywhere.

The only reason for having a passworded forum would be if we had something like an unmodderated forum which contained inappropriate content for most people, protected to make sure no minors saw it.

The closest thing we have to that is Ice-Tea's "Obligatory semi-nekkid wimminz thread".

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 2/23/05 11:45pm
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I'm willing to spice that up, if needed ;-)

Anyways, it was me who originaly floated that baloon. I figured that it would have been a nice idea to be able to discuss initiates in private. Whether you like it or not, people are most likely to speak out their mind then. If not, people might go :never mind, it's not worth the controverse.

But as it seems to be somewhat of a technical challenge, it may be a bad idea after all.

 

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RE: Restricting Access? 7/7/06 9:16pm
Where is Ocelot's post, I know it is around here somewheres....

 

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