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You Think North Korea's gonna let up wit all da hoopla about nukes?


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No, but that'd be gnarly, brah.

 

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Word.

 

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Why should they? I bet they keep a nuke handy, just in case Bush get into his texan little head to invade and sack Kim Jong Il.

 

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lol. I think it'd be cool if N Korea nuked Iran,

Afganistan, and any other country that was and/or is our

enemy. Of course, it would also lead to a third world

war...

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Since when are Iran and Afghanistan anyone's enemies? Hamid Karzai is an american ally, the ISAF is rebuilding infrastructure and NATO is stuck in some dumb war with the Taliban that America grew bored with. And while Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a pugnacious, spiteful little man he's also a card carrying member of the UN whose readiness to negotiate his country's nuclear plans are now a matter of public record. Kim Jong Il's longtime ally, the PRC, also shares a border with Afghanistan.

Also, why?

 

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Sorry, i get all the mid-east countries mixed up. See, the problem with iran though, they have nuclear power, but they say they'll use it for powering their cities. But who's to say they won't make bombs? No one!!!! As for Afganistan, i have no further knowledge of the country other than they're in Asia. Sorry, shouldn't have accused them.


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Well, for a start Iran don't have nuclear power, they have nuclear capacity - which is a world of difference in technological terms. Second, they've been - if not co-operative - then at least forthright in all negotiations with western superpowers concerning their nuclear plans. They've even released the catalogue of components supplied by North Korea - which is still a massive bone of contention with the PRK. Third, Iranian scientists are the world's closest collaboraters with european scientists in building components for supercolliders - which will hopefully help us not only with research into physics, but with alternative energy in the future once oil reserves are depleted. Fourth, the Persian people have a long history of contribution to maths, medicine, science and philosophy. More of a history, in fact, than warmongering or empire building. Fifth, Iranian scientists are widely published in academic journals and would most likely not risk their reputations by fiddling with nuclear bombs; which are rapidly becoming not only an outmoded technology, but concept. Sixth, Iran has no long range missile capability whatsoever. Seventh, human rights NGOs are becoming a more and more prevelent and influencial group in Iranian politics. Eighth, religion and human rights issues aside, Iran's governmental insitutions and constitution are not dramatically different from western countries. Ninth, Iran has one of the highest urban growth rates in the world, and would likely not threaten it by antagonising its neighbours or the west (at least not any more). The building of nuclear reactors would in fact be a sign of this burgeoning economy. Tenth, no idiot is actually going to deploy a nuclear bomb. It would be an act of such earth shattering stupidity that I can't even think of an appropriate comparison.

Also, Iran isn't really an arabic country. They're Indo-European and Persian. I think something like less than 1% of the population speaks Arabic, the dominant language being Persian.

 

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Do you think Al Qaeda (if that's how they spell) really would leave the bomb alone should they get their hands on one? Earthshattering stupidity or not, they'd gladly kill half of earths population just to get a good whack at the US.

 

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Al Qaeda is only really interested in achieving some sort of arabic sovereignty by ridiculous methods like blowing themselves up in public places, not global destruction. They wouldn't set off a nuclear bomb to achieve an arabic nation (that only a handful of idealists really want anyway), not least of all because it'd be counter intuitive and gain them even fewer supporters. Terrorism's about making people afraid you're going to do something, that something bad is going to happen (which would make all these media alarmists terrorists in a sense) - not necessarily by doing it.

Besides, Iran has extremely stringent security and is no friend to Al Qaeda - if Al Qaeda were to get a nuclear bomb (and everything suggests they're not adamant on getting one, preferring small arms explosives or chemical agents) it would likely be from the former soviet union. And the number of active nuclear weapons they have is shrinking by the day.

 

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You seem to know much about this topic. I can't give anymore info otherthan I know Al Queda is out there somewhere, waiting for us to slip up again. And when we do, he and his cronies will be on us like Micheal Jackson when he rapes the kids that sleep with him.


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Al Qaeda isn't one single group or entity. They aren't centralized to any extent. They don't even have a coherent doctrine - some ascribe to Wahhabism, some ascribe to Salafism. Most are Sunni, but not exclusively. Some want to re-establish the caliphate, some are just angry and misguided kids.

It's not a matter of 'slipping up' - so long as the facade of fear and the threat of terrorism remain then Al Qaeda has done its job. There is no perpetual enemy to fight, and no persistent threat to counter.

In fact, Al Qaeda as it exists today is more an invention of the West than any of its founders - who have either been killed or marginalized. Some call themselves Al Qaeda, others Egyptian or Islamic Jihad... I talked to someone the other day who is convinced that NATO is currently fighting 'Al Qaeda' instead of the pro-Pashtun group the Taliban.

What's most worrying is that Al Qaeda seems to be fastly becoming the byword for 'People In the Middle East Who Don't Like Us And May Want To Harm Us', whether they are insurgents, terrorists, politicans, military leaders, religious leaders or people that are pissed off at having bombs dropped on them. And if the West continues to 'fight' Al Qaeda (which has about four times as many members since the start of the 'War On Terror') then its going to become a byword for the whole of the Middle East.

And that is when the entire planet will be in a heap of shit.

Also, I think you're confusing Al Qaeda (the movement) with some individual.

 

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True, i thought it was just another word for Osama Bin Ladin who is a threat to us.
Anyway, what do you think would happen if Korea nuked China? Wouldn't they be killed? Considering China has the largest population in the world, i think korea would be road-kill. Despite all the Chinese they would've killed in the process.

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What ever they want to call their groups, I'm no friend of anyone who can consider it a fair deal to blow up themselves and a bunch of innocents in exchange for virgins in heaven. It doesn't sound civilized to me.

Let's make an example. I get angry at my neighbour. But instead of telling him that I don't like his lawnmower sound in the morning I send my dog over with a hand grenade to blow up his wife. Fair? Will it make the neighbour prone to listening? Hardly.

 

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lol. exactly...

 


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Let's make an example. I get angry at my neighbour. But instead of telling him that I don't like his lawnmower sound in the morning I send my dog over with a hand grenade to blow up his wife. Fair? Will it make the neighbour prone to listening? Hardly.



You're misunderstanding the dynamic. This whole terrorism thing represents a failure to listen, not some sort of masked, militant diplomacy. It's like Nicaragua in the 80s, only without the superpower element.

 

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